Love the title and what a great venture. Thank you for the introduction to this. I read a book a mother wrote over a decade about about her daughter's abuse by the dad and the crazy journey she had to take to "rescue" her. It was a real story. The length this woman had to go to in order to save her now adult child was insane. But the main point of that book was sort of hidden inside the story and it said why the abuse takes places in the first place is that all the institutions are run by rules that the courts created and they are mainly male dominated as is church and medical and judicial professions. This was her experience and what she was met with when she tried to get support and evidence. All these men backing each other. I didn't know all the details of the Lively vs Baldoni situation so your discussion gave me more insight to the story. As for difficult women.... I think they're assertive and strong, where no else has the guts to do be. All the best with FFS!
Absolutely. Many stories get spinned in certain ways to tell the perspective someone wants and needs. Doesn't mean you should be silent and doesn't mean you stand and watch. Once again, you started a wonderful initiative here.
Yes, it is so discouraging to come up against male firewalls of self-protection and brotherhood. They're often impenetrable because they seem to function for men with the belief that if they don't protect their brotherhood they won't be able to protect themselves.
Having a strong interest in science, especially the biological sciences, I was reading about Matt Krisiloff, Sam Altman's ex, who is urgently preparing - in his words, "..in case one of the sexes becomes extinct" by creating human-like eggs. So guess which one of the sexes he expects to be exterminated? His billion dollar company, Conception, wants to get in on the enormous profits early because he expects so many men would like to combine each others genes within one egg rather than use a woman's egg because her genes would be in it. Krisiloff feels he's getting closer to his goal and has already used some manufactured ovary cells to nurture his prototype eggs. Sickeningly dystopic, but we have already seen so many examples of the erasure of women in language and social/political roles that it should come as no surprise to those of us who haven't surrendered our integrity for opportunism or male approval.
So great. "Officially cursing in this podcast" had me laughing. I was especially interested in the discussion of men who claim to be feminist but act in ways that belie their real values. It's a type I am overly familiar with. Thanks for solving it all.
A fascinating listen - so much intelligence in your conversation. I wish I could afford to become a paid subscriber to all the amazing strong women on here - one day!
This was an awesome conversation. Enjoyed the diversity of topics and how you each put across your opinions. Love love love it and can't wait for the next one. I can't remember but is it gonna be the same guests ? I'd hope so.
What a great discussion by interesting and clever women. Really thought provoking. As a feminist I haven't really dug into why it is so easy to slide into letting things go - or not disagreeing with a comment that is wrong. Literally FFS!! Thank you. A great panel.
I loved this meeting of feisty feminist women and really resonate with you all and the entire discussion.
These tropes of male behaviour are insidious, I’ve experienced them all during my life and career. Women treated as ‘difficult’ or ‘scary’ for being strong or assertive or just standing up to the aggressive, creepy and coercive behaviour from men.
I’ve seen and experienced women punished for challenging these behaviours at work or the patriarchal work structures themselves.
I was actually called in to a managers office alone and threatened with a removal of future promotion if I continued to be ‘confrontational’ following my winning my own gender equalities case…
Oh Sam, we have all seen it haven’t we? We have all experienced it, haven’t we? We’re tired of it all and then to add insult to injury we’re told that what we see and hear and have been witness to isn’t even happening. I remember being told in an office to ‘smile more’. Why? I was doing my job, I wasn’t even front-facing. I also remember being in an office and hearing a male editor on the phone with another male discussing my body and when I went back to my female editor and told her (utterly flabbergasted) she said I had heard wrong and not to tell anyone as I would get a name for myself. I mean, it just goes on and on and on and on and on, and so, we need to keep articulating our experiences with conversations like these just to feel like we’re not actually going mad!!! I am so pleased you enjoyed it. And thank you for sharing your thoughts too.
I’m watching the recording and totally engrossed but the question in my mind at the moment about the Baldoni case is that the legal system is now under the control of a President with convictions of sexual assault, he has senior members of his party with convictions…it’s even more compounded and endorsed by the system now.
At the other end of the scale I’ve just had to ask a scaffolding company working on my neighbours house to turn their music down because it was rattling my windows and he wasn’t happy, did a very slow unsmiling appraisal of me, the back of my house which he had full view of, then back at me which has left me feeling really uncomfortable. They’ve gone now but this is the more subtle, potentially coercive kind of behaviour we also have to navigate daily.
It’s so important we’re all having these conversations now. The news is increasingly full of more cases which is hopefully a good sign of things beginning to at least be more openly discussed
Love the title and what a great venture. Thank you for the introduction to this. I read a book a mother wrote over a decade about about her daughter's abuse by the dad and the crazy journey she had to take to "rescue" her. It was a real story. The length this woman had to go to in order to save her now adult child was insane. But the main point of that book was sort of hidden inside the story and it said why the abuse takes places in the first place is that all the institutions are run by rules that the courts created and they are mainly male dominated as is church and medical and judicial professions. This was her experience and what she was met with when she tried to get support and evidence. All these men backing each other. I didn't know all the details of the Lively vs Baldoni situation so your discussion gave me more insight to the story. As for difficult women.... I think they're assertive and strong, where no else has the guts to do be. All the best with FFS!
Thanks so much, and so true about the courts that were created by and serve men. But we have to keep bringing these issues out into the light.
Absolutely. Many stories get spinned in certain ways to tell the perspective someone wants and needs. Doesn't mean you should be silent and doesn't mean you stand and watch. Once again, you started a wonderful initiative here.
Thank you, I’m pleased you think so!
Yes, it is so discouraging to come up against male firewalls of self-protection and brotherhood. They're often impenetrable because they seem to function for men with the belief that if they don't protect their brotherhood they won't be able to protect themselves.
Having a strong interest in science, especially the biological sciences, I was reading about Matt Krisiloff, Sam Altman's ex, who is urgently preparing - in his words, "..in case one of the sexes becomes extinct" by creating human-like eggs. So guess which one of the sexes he expects to be exterminated? His billion dollar company, Conception, wants to get in on the enormous profits early because he expects so many men would like to combine each others genes within one egg rather than use a woman's egg because her genes would be in it. Krisiloff feels he's getting closer to his goal and has already used some manufactured ovary cells to nurture his prototype eggs. Sickeningly dystopic, but we have already seen so many examples of the erasure of women in language and social/political roles that it should come as no surprise to those of us who haven't surrendered our integrity for opportunism or male approval.
Looking forward to watching this develop Anna!
So great. "Officially cursing in this podcast" had me laughing. I was especially interested in the discussion of men who claim to be feminist but act in ways that belie their real values. It's a type I am overly familiar with. Thanks for solving it all.
So pleased you enjoyed it!
Anna, Will you be critiquing and reviewing each other's writings?
Not on Monday, Betsy. But I would like to build these types of workshops in.
Thanks for your reply Anna.
A fascinating listen - so much intelligence in your conversation. I wish I could afford to become a paid subscriber to all the amazing strong women on here - one day!
Thanks Bronwen! So pleased you enjoyed it!
This was an awesome conversation. Enjoyed the diversity of topics and how you each put across your opinions. Love love love it and can't wait for the next one. I can't remember but is it gonna be the same guests ? I'd hope so.
Oh I’m so pleased, Claire! Yes, the four of us again.
awesome !!
What a great discussion by interesting and clever women. Really thought provoking. As a feminist I haven't really dug into why it is so easy to slide into letting things go - or not disagreeing with a comment that is wrong. Literally FFS!! Thank you. A great panel.
So pleased to hear you enjoyed it!
Haven't watched/listened to it yet but I know I'll enjoy it.
Can’t wait to hear what you think, Claire!
Anna,
I loved this meeting of feisty feminist women and really resonate with you all and the entire discussion.
These tropes of male behaviour are insidious, I’ve experienced them all during my life and career. Women treated as ‘difficult’ or ‘scary’ for being strong or assertive or just standing up to the aggressive, creepy and coercive behaviour from men.
I’ve seen and experienced women punished for challenging these behaviours at work or the patriarchal work structures themselves.
I was actually called in to a managers office alone and threatened with a removal of future promotion if I continued to be ‘confrontational’ following my winning my own gender equalities case…
Oh Sam, we have all seen it haven’t we? We have all experienced it, haven’t we? We’re tired of it all and then to add insult to injury we’re told that what we see and hear and have been witness to isn’t even happening. I remember being told in an office to ‘smile more’. Why? I was doing my job, I wasn’t even front-facing. I also remember being in an office and hearing a male editor on the phone with another male discussing my body and when I went back to my female editor and told her (utterly flabbergasted) she said I had heard wrong and not to tell anyone as I would get a name for myself. I mean, it just goes on and on and on and on and on, and so, we need to keep articulating our experiences with conversations like these just to feel like we’re not actually going mad!!! I am so pleased you enjoyed it. And thank you for sharing your thoughts too.
RAGE against the machine! YES Anna!!
😘😘
Excited about this!
Let me know what you think once you’ve had a listen, Kara!
I learned a lot… thank you.
So pleased, Sara!
I’m watching the recording and totally engrossed but the question in my mind at the moment about the Baldoni case is that the legal system is now under the control of a President with convictions of sexual assault, he has senior members of his party with convictions…it’s even more compounded and endorsed by the system now.
At the other end of the scale I’ve just had to ask a scaffolding company working on my neighbours house to turn their music down because it was rattling my windows and he wasn’t happy, did a very slow unsmiling appraisal of me, the back of my house which he had full view of, then back at me which has left me feeling really uncomfortable. They’ve gone now but this is the more subtle, potentially coercive kind of behaviour we also have to navigate daily.
Urgh, horrible Jaimie. That’s why we need to create these spaces to talk about our grievances with the world, or rather their grievances with us.
It’s so important we’re all having these conversations now. The news is increasingly full of more cases which is hopefully a good sign of things beginning to at least be more openly discussed
And these discussions keep us sane in an insane world, Jaimie! X
Our news today:
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2025-01-31/floreat-murders-internal-police-inquiry/104875596?utm_source=abc_news_app&utm_medium=content_shared&utm_campaign=abc_news_app&utm_content=link
Ariel Bombara, the daughter of the murderer, speaks so well, and has actually been listened to by the Police.
We have a problem with murdered women here in Australia. 😭
I’ll check it out, thanks Sarah 😏
Yas! Cannot wait to tune into this chat!
FFS, this is awesome!🙌
I’m so pleased you think so, Sam!